[Video] Texas Officers Consider themselves “Exempt From The Law”?

by Thursday, April 18, 2013

Yesterday morning I woke up to a text from my best friend with this video attached and while it is not my video I felt that you should be made aware of it.

Texas police arrested an active-duty Army sergeant for “rudely displaying” a hunting rifle. The sergeant, C.J. Grisham, established an online legal defense fund after he was, in his words, “illegally arrested and disarmed” for carrying the firearm.

In the video the Sergeant asks why he is being disarmed and detained; this was after being told that the officers were called out by a citizen reporting a person  carrying a rifle, Sergeant Grisham asks the officers if they explained to the person reporting that Texas is a “Right to Carry” State, the officer had this to say:

“They don’t care what the law is,” the officer replies. Grisham then shoots back, “Do you care what the law is?”

“In this day and age, they’re alarmed when they see somebody with what you have,” the officer replies.

“Just because a guy has got a firearm, he’s dangerous?” Grisham asks, drawing the reply, “Yes, sir.”

Afterwards Grisham says that he feels threatened that the officer has a weapon, to which the officer replies that he is “exempt from the law”

Below is the excerpt from the video Sergeant Grisham released on Youtube explaining the situation along with the actual video of the altercation:

On March 16, 2013, my son and I were hiking along country roads among pastures and fields with my 15-year old son to help him earn his hiking merit badge. I always enjoy these father/son hikes because it gives me time alone with my son. As I always do when we go on these hikes and walks, I took my trusty rifle with me as there are coyotes, wild hogs, and cougars in our area.

In Texas, it is legal to openly carry a rifle or shotgun as long as you do so in a manner that isn’t calculated to cause alarm. In other words, you can’t walk around waving your rifle at people. I always carry my rifle slung across my chest dangling, not holding it in my hands.

At about the 5 mile mark of our hike, a voice behind us asked us to stop and the officer motioned for us to approach him. He got out of his car and met us a few feet later. He asked us what we were doing and I explained that we were hiking for my son’s merit badge. He then asked me what I’m doing with the rifle, to which I responded in a calm manner, “Does it matter, officer? Am I breaking the law?”

At that point, the officer grabbed my rifle without warning or indication. He didn’t ask for my rifle and he didn’t suggest he would take it from me. He simply grabbed it. This startled me and I instantly pulled back – the rifle was attached to me – and I asked what he thought he was doing because he’s not taking my rifle. He then pulled his service pistol on me and told me to take my hands off the weapon and move to his car, which I complied with.

He then slammed me into the hood of his car and I remembered I had a camera on me (one of the requirements of the hiking merit badge is to document your hikes). This video is the rest of that encounter. Up to this point, I am not told why I am being stopped, why he tried to disarm me, or even that I’m under arrest.

We did not set out that Saturday morning to “make a point” or cause problems. Our goal was to complete a 10-mile hike and return home without incident. My son chose a route that away from populated areas but near our home.

The arresting officer is Officer Steve Ermis and the supervisor is Sergeant Minnicks of the Temple Police Department.

If you agree this was a gross act of exceeded authority, please help me fight these charges: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/2nd…

Please, can some one explain to me what it means to  “rudely display” a weapon?  What is your take on this?

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Bob
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3 years 3 months ago
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Be careful at taking this one sided explanation of what happened. Sgt Grisham has some questionable actions in the past posted on his blog and this could have all been a set up.

Donald Plattner
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3 years 3 months ago
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Such a broad, non-specific lefty comment.
If you had any common sense, regardless of any of Grisham’s past comments, you see that Grisham was unprofessionally and unconstitutionally handled. Grisham was correct that both local officers should wear brown shirts.
Generally speaking, Texas has mostly professional and competent officers. It’s a shame these two local “banty roosters” sully Texas’ good LEO’s.

CJ
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3 years 3 months ago
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Donald, I absolutely agree. Most Texas LEOs are good and honorable people. My arresting officer was not typical by any means.

craig
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craig
3 years 3 months ago
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You should not pick on Bob ..he is still in recovery trying to come off the hard drugs

Jerry
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Jerry
3 years 3 months ago
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I don’t know Texas law, but what I can’t understand about this incident. It was said in the video “RURAL COUNTRY AREA”. The two officers appear to be Temple “City Policemen”. What authority to “CITY officers” have in the Texas “RURAL” areas?? Bell “County” deputies, I can see. Texas “State Police”, I can see. Texas “Rangers”, I can see. BUT a “city” officer in the COUNTY. What the hell were they doing there AND WHAT AUTHORITY do they have in the COUNTY??

CJ
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3 years 3 months ago
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Bob, Yeah, I just couldn’t wait to have my guns taken and spend my Saturday in jail instead of with my son. What level of idiot are you? If I had set this up, I would have taken video the moment the officer stopped me. I would also not be hiking down EMPTY COUNTRY ROADS and would have chosen instead busy streets or downtown. You’re a special kind of stupid aren’t you?

Creeker
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Creeker
3 years 3 months ago
0 Sir, It appears based on the video and this response to Bob that you allow your emotions to over run your senses fairly easily. I am a retired LEO, and while I disagree with some of the actions and apparent attitude of the Temple Cops, I also hope that you realize that some of their response was directly related to your attitude. F.I., your actual arrest. It is pretty obvious to me that you were transported and charged to cover someone’s butt… however you wouldn’t have been if you had remained calm rather than gotten indignant and made a… Read more »
Shannon Pritchard
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3 years 3 months ago
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Studies show that approximately 20% of the population is sadistic, and only the threat of punishment keeps the sadists in line. The police dept draws sadists like a daycare draws pedophiles, so their makeup is much higher than in the general population. The officer who did this should be in prison, and the officer who allowed it should be fired and neither should ever be allowed to own a gun again.

Longshot
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Longshot
3 years 2 months ago
0 Creeker, I agree with you on only one point. Most, but not all LEO’s are very good men. I know my county Sheriffs, and my city cops. All of them. The Alabama troopers I do not know because I do not want to know them as they are as crooked as a snake. They are on the take, abuse women driving alone with false charges unless “sexual” favors are given. My wife was one of their victims. Since there were no witnesses, my wife’s case was thrown out of Court. Somehow, the video recorder mounted on the dash of… Read more »
XXLegion
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XXLegion
3 years 2 months ago
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Sorry to burst your bubble regarding lack of jurisdiction – most states have laws allowing on-duty LEO’s to leave their area to enforce laws in other area’s. Their primary jurisdiction may be a town, city, etc., but the law allows them to enforce the law in other area’s depending on circumstances. We don’ poach other jurisdictions; just enforce the law when directed by comm, or assistance calls.

Ann Hobgood
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Ann Hobgood
3 years 2 months ago
0 Sir, I don’t know Texas law, even though I lived there for 3 yrs., neither do I own a gun. Though I don’t object to others having guns. But I would have the same objections as this person did about being accosted on a rural road and having the officer NOT requesting his weapon just reaching and physically grabbing the weapon. Also as stating in one other reply this was a city officer. What was the city officer doing in the county? Their responsibility is the city, not the county. I don’t think the man arrested would have raised… Read more »
Paul
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Paul
2 years 5 months ago
0 Creeker I agree the officer had to show some caution when approaching MSG Grisham because there are too many nut jobs around anymore. MSG Grisham could have defused the situation by being proactive and put the officer at ease by offering him the weapon or showing the officer that the weapon is unloaded or telling the police officer that he will clear the weapon for him. After all MSG Grisham is not on Ft Hood or any other military installation or training area and MSG Grisham is not on a FTX, he is walking around on someone’s private property… Read more »
Combat Veteran Seabee
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2 years 5 months ago
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If I see a cop coming with his weapon UNHOLSTERED, I’m doing the same, it a “Personal Safety thing!”
Way too many peop[le getting executed by the cops these days, and that is the truth. Try to refute that leo!

Danny
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Danny
3 years 3 months ago
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Where is the beginning of the video? Why have you left out parts of it?

Matt
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2 years 9 months ago
0 1) An assault rifle on a tactical sling is ABSOLUTELY “threatening” to MOST of the population. I’m former special operations and if I saw someone walking along the side of the road like you were I wouldn’t like it one bit. The rifle should have been BEHIND you. I have lived and hiked EXTENSIVELY in mountain lion and bear country and those animals don’t just pounce without warning. They show themselves and give warning so your weapon didn’t need to be that readily available. 1) The instant you saw the officer any RATIONAL person knows that any visible weapons… Read more »
PaoloItaly
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PaoloItaly
2 years 9 months ago
0 Being a former airborne recon I have to disagree on the harsh judgement passed on the police man. He might have acted a bit more politely but in all honesty, if you carry an assault rifle slung over the chest, this is not a relaxed, not potentially threatening way of carrying a weapon. A rifle slung on the chest is a typical way of having the weapon ready for action. Should our sergeant have carried the weapon slung by the shoulder with the muzzle pointed to the ground, like every hunter does, and maybe without the magazine in place,… Read more »
David
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2 years 9 months ago
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If the cop was that concerned about his safety because of the presence of that firearm, why would he approach to within an arms length, close enough to reach out grab the rifle. Why didn’t he draw his weapon from a distance and “prone him out” first, so that hecould more safely remove the rifle as a threat?. The fact that he walked right up on him and grabbed the rifle indicates to me that the cop considered him pretty low risk, if any risk at all.

Combat Veteran Seabee
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Combat Veteran Seabee
2 years 5 months ago
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And the law is OPEN CARRY! No need to say more!

Tank
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Tank
2 years 6 months ago
0 The point being missed in your observation is that this is not a matter of civility to the officer. By stopping a person who is not committing a crime, walking with a visible weapon in Texas was not breaking the law, the officer has already stepped on the rights of the citizen. Why do I have to offer my weapon to an officer just because he asks for it? Why do I have to produce identification just because an officer asks for it? If I am not breaking a law the officers need to be trained to the fact… Read more »
CaptRemo
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2 years 5 months ago
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Sorry.. everyone has missed a major point here. An older, armed man is walking down a country road with an unarmed 15yr old boy. Had they been hunting, they boy would have been armed as well. Does anyone see probable cause for a stop, disarm, and question here?

I teach CCW classes in Idaho. We are a very conservative state. But, were I LEO, I’d want to find out what was up.

Calin Brabandt
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Calin Brabandt
3 years 3 months ago
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If so, police set up citizens all the time. Why not the inverse to catch criminal cops?

Longshot
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Longshot
3 years 2 months ago
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If you live in Alabama, criminal cops are rarely prosecuted unless it is a killing. They are quietly let go, never charged with a crime.

Shannon Pritchard
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3 years 3 months ago
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Regardless of what else occurred, just the fact that the officer said that “they don’t care what the law is” or “Just because a guy has got a firearm, he’s dangerous?” Grisham asks, drawing the reply, “Yes, sir.” should get him fired.

He is fortunate that the Sgt did not shoot the officer in self defense when he went for his gun. Once that officer stepped outside the law he is just like everyone else, and he cannot brandish a firearm without risk of being shot.

Eleanor Rohl
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Eleanor Rohl
3 years 3 months ago
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The saying is: give a hard azz a gun and a badge,and you have just created a crazy hard azz ,smart azz, who thinks the laws do not apply to him, and becomes belligerent, demeaning and will do anything to prove he is above any law. These people give our good LEOs a bad name.

DC
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3 years 3 months ago
0 I do enjoy reading this post, but sometimes like today with this video it irks me. What happened to respect. Has that gone to the way side with its brother common sense. Police get calls like this frequently. It is our current society that initiates this call of a suspicious person. The Police cannot ignore that call. Without seeing the beginning of the interaction it is unknown if the actions taken were justified. Only the words from one side of this story are present. Why not just shut up, be respectful, let the man do his job, and then… Read more »
JT
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3 years 3 months ago
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Since when is standing up for one’s rights wrong? “Bostonians! Just pay your tax on tea and shut up. I am the king of England!”

But I guess Americans are being conditioned to obey whatever the man with the badge, brown suit, coat and tie or whatever symbol of power is displayed tells you to do.

GMR
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3 years 3 months ago
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It’s the dumbed down, don’t think for yourself society that says “You don’t know what you want or need so we’ll tell you!”
The cry babies in this country want to be coddled and can’t fathom standing up for anything of worth.

Joe Schwartz
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Joe Schwartz
3 years 3 months ago
0 I agree a little respect goes a long way. “A soft answer turns away wrath”. Joe was contentious from the first word, the officer reacted naturally. He has the right to carry a firearm, but the officer has the right to disarm and detain an individual he as doubts about. If he had not acted contentiously it is very likely this would have had a very differnent outcome and the officer would have asked a series of questions, determined there was no threat and returning the weapon, left them to finish the hike. A scout is curteous, one of… Read more »
Bill Hartzell
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Bill Hartzell
3 years 3 months ago
0 Sorry, sir- you are wrong- he does NOT have the right to ‘disarm’ him. He has the right to ask him for his permit, which must be given. He has the right to ASK him to put his weapon down, but until he places him under arrest, he does not have the RIGHT to disarm him. Americans, KNOW you’re rights, know the law and do not allow them to be abused, especially by jack-booted thugs. This POS of a cop is LUCKY he didn’t pull that s&*t on the wrong person. A back road, in an out-of-the-way area of… Read more »
CHAZ
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CHAZ
3 years 3 months ago
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Joe you are totally right!

Dal
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Dal
3 years 1 month ago
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You are exactly right, Joe. Peace officers have every reason to approach every situation with heightened caution, and the author here clearly acted contentiously from the start instead of calmly answering questions (and setting a good example of level-headedness for his son). His attitude made the whole situation spiral out of control and he has no one to blame but himself.

Combat Veteran Seabee
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Combat Veteran Seabee
2 years 5 months ago
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All speculation on your part. You have no idea how this might have been different. We see it every day, 400 rounds pumped into a car that wouldn’t stop and killed an UNARMED COUPLE! Baltimore

GMR
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3 years 3 months ago
0 What he taught his son is to be a man and a free citizen with RIGHTS!! Our rights as citizen supersede the police abusing our rights. If the police want respect, the perhaps they should give respect. Mr. Grishan did nothing wrong. Would you have rather he laid down and allowed the cops to walk all over him and his son? Additionally, they violated his sons rights by not allowing an adult or legal representation to be in the presence of a minor who by the way was neither charged nor arrested. The emasculation process in this country is… Read more »
CL
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CL
3 years 3 months ago
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It would seem to me that the detention of the boy against his will would qualify as kidnapping.

SB
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SB
3 years 3 months ago
0 Yup, that is right, forget your 2nd amend. rights and let the LEO do whatever they want. they are exempt from the law. If the officer felt threatened why did he not wait for backup to arrive before approaching? use the speaker and issue commands from shelter of his car? no, this is the typical arrogant officer that can not stand to be objected to and I hope that when it is over that he and his supervisor are both looking for new jobs. my father was a police officer and I am proud of the work that he… Read more »
skipfoss
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skipfoss
3 years 3 months ago
0 That has been the problem, we stand there and be respectful and let the employee of ours tell us what to do and when we ask what the problem is you get some smart ass answer from the jerk I will tell you when I finish , Bull shit you will tell me what the reason is for stopping me before you proceed any farther,but of course then you are put under arrest for resisting,which in its self is a bogus charge,and just likre this smart ass cop he and his buddies all over the nation who they work… Read more »
Jim Mcgeough
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Jim Mcgeough
3 years 3 months ago
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Absolute disgrace…police not knowing or caring about the law and manhandling a citizen ….unbelieveable..

joseph walsh
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joseph walsh
3 years 3 months ago
0 What a horse’s Arse. In todays enviroment he should have put the arms down when the Officer approached him . I dont give a rats butt that what the law is over my safety and the citizens I protect. His failure to comply at the onset Got him the treatment. I would have put the weapon towards my back, Not in the front as if I was still overseas on patrol. Then the attitude about gbreaking the law…. well that a special kind of stupid. I would have asked if I could show my permits and go from there.… Read more »
JT
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3 years 3 months ago
0 Joseph Walsh………….duh. He doesn’t need a permit. You are conditioned from watching too much TV. You think a permit to own and carry a rifle is akin to having a driver’s license. Texas, Joseph. Heck! California! You do not need a permit for a rifle. “Let me see your permit!” “Duh, officer, I don’t need one!” Joseph, this is a clear example of a little man with a badge having power but no authority. This will never make it to trial. The policeman will get reprimanded and the gun owner will get an apology. Boss Hogg and Sheriff Roscoe… Read more »
Melvin Schell
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3 years 3 months ago
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JT In Cal. you can not carry a rifle in toe open anymore, that is a new one for us.

K Lewis
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K Lewis
3 years 3 months ago
0 When the police receive a report of a “person with a gun” they respond to investigate. The police do NOT know who you are or what your mindset is. This was not an armed person being approached out of the blue, this was a call of a person with a gun. Had the Sgt not acted like an ASS this would not have escalated and the Sgt would have been able to contine his hike. NORMALLY, when responding to a call like this, SAFETY is the number one rule! The officer’s number one rule is GO HOME AT THE… Read more »
Robert Greer
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Robert Greer
3 years 3 months ago
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“When Policemen break the law there is no law only a fight for survival.” Billy Jack

skipfoss
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skipfoss
3 years 3 months ago
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Sounds to me like you are or have been a cop so take your politeness and shove it

Creeker
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Creeker
3 years 3 months ago
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So in your book ALL active and retired Cops should be treated as if they were bullies and thugs?

Respect is a two way street, and I’ve always treated people with respect until they’ve proven they didn’t want it.

It’s looking like you don’t want it…. or you are from some location in which people don’t give it to anybody, because it might be a sign of weakness?

bonzaisteve
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bonzaisteve
3 years 2 months ago
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SURE CAN TELL THE COPS/ TROLLS

Retired Marine
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Retired Marine
3 years 3 months ago
0 So let’s just make up laws and enforce the phony laws, while the real law breakers can do their thing. Way to go Temple, Texas, where their cops are either queer’s or steers, and I didn’t see any horns on their heads. Well folks, Temple Texas is as bad as Austin. Wow a rudely displayed rifle, really? How does one rudely display a rifle? How about the rude display of a big fat overbearing cop, and a moron Barney Fife for a supervisor. neither one has any idea of the law and both should be suspended and discharged for… Read more »
Paul J Greiner
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3 years 3 months ago
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Well said fellow vet. And, thanks for your service.

Jimmy Tanner
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3 years 3 months ago
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That’s just hitting the nail on the head. Doughnut Boy and Barney.

George
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3 years 3 months ago
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No one, repeat. No one is exempt from the law!
Not the police, nor anyone else who lives in the United States. No one, no where, no time! Some laws maybe stupid and a bit crazy but, that doesn’t mean one is exempt. No more time now.

Dan Callaway
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Dan Callaway
3 years 3 months ago
0 I am sorely disappointed in the actions of the Temple, Texas police officers. I am a 33 year veteran Texas peace officer and a strong defender of the 2nd Amendment. In Texas, no such law of “Rudley Displaying a Weapon” exists. As a matter of fact, there is no reqirement for permit to carry a legal shotgun or rifle in the State of Texas. It appears to me that Officer Steve Ermis violated his oath of office to protect the United States Constitution. It appears that a citizen’s complaint was more important to him than Sergeant Grisham’s’s 2nd Amendment… Read more »
Paul J Greiner
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3 years 3 months ago
0 Far too many police officers nowadays appear to be gripped by fear in dealing with even the most routine traffic stops. Fear makes people unpredictable and therefore dangerous. As a soldier in Vietnam, often operating in a stressful environment, I was less prone to deal harshly with the Vietnamese people than the police seem to be when it comes to our own citizens. Since 911, police are seen as heroes and are given a pass in almost every situation. These cops are way out of line and when cops are this stressed out they should consider another line of… Read more »
Mark Holtz
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Mark Holtz
3 years 3 months ago
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The law enforcement are being fed all kinds of lies from the corrupt government. We the people are being accused of being terrorist. There is a document that states that Christens, Arm forces, people that are able to think are all terrorist. Thats why the police are so edgy. They are being conditioned. If you don’t agree with this administration or government officials you can be arrested and held forever. Thank you patriot act!!! and the list of propaganda is on going.

Darren M Weber
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Darren M Weber
3 years 3 months ago
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Uncle Paul J, I still think Texas is one of the freer states when it comes to gun rights, but I do tend to see a lot of troubling videos of policeman acting outside their authority. I believe, unfortunately, there needs to be an education of the police force as far as citizen’s gun rights. They should already know this, but it seems far too common that they are ignorant of the law or they just decide to ignore it.

Chris
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Chris
3 years 3 months ago
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I see,and agree, with both sides of this issue. But it seems to me that 1) respect was a bit lacking on both sides and 2) had the sergeant simply explained what he was doing and why he was armed, to protect from wild hogs, cougars etc., the outcome would have been much different. Having been in the military myself, USMC grunt, we know how to deal with people with “Rank”. Yes sir, No sir, thank you very much sir, oorahh! ( Oorahh is grunt for Go F&$K yourself).
It’s a shamed this happened. Show respect, get respect. Simple

Mike
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Mike
3 years 3 months ago
0 I believe this situation could have been resolved in 5 minutes if the gun owner had not tried to make a spectacle of the situation. While the responding officer may not have handled the whole thing in the best way, if a gun owner is polite and responds to questions and yes, maybe even surrenders his weapon for a few minutes to de-escalate the officer’s fight/flight response to potential danger, this whole thing is a non-issue. Because the gun owner decided to push the limits of non-compliance and basically try to make a spectacle of the situation, it all… Read more »
Frank
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Frank
3 years 3 months ago
0 After watching the video, I would say that there was a little bit of wrong doing, or improper actions taken on both sides of the issue! First of all, when the officer confronted the man, rather than just grabbing the rifle and trying to disarm the man, the officer might or should have asked the man to turn-over the rifle for the safety of everyone involved, until a proper determination of what was actually going on or what the man was doing walking with the rifle! Just trying to grab the rifle is NOT the way to try and… Read more »
Van Stallman
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3 years 3 months ago
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This is not right, Sgt. Grisham was doing nothing wrong. I see a civil suit on its way for harrassment and false arrest.

Van Stallman
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3 years 3 months ago
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what moderation?What happened to freedom of speech?

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